Good news, maybe. I've discussed the CVS issues with Jareth Hein (the administrator of the machine that hosts cvs.xemacs.org). He has agreed to do some work on the server, and explained in some detail the situation. For historical reasons, the host runs BSDI. This isn't going to change soon, although Jareth would really like to change the OS for his own reasons. The problem with doing a CVS upgrade has been that version 1.9.26 (I think it is) is the most recent and reliable[sic] version of CVS that passes the self tests on that platform. Everything more recent fails `make check', on something like test 8 of 26. He's never had time to track down what the problem is, until now. He's making no promises, but if he does manage a successful build and check, he will probably upgrade CVS within the next day or so. Upgrades are upgrades; there could be a service outage, but we hope not. He says that cvs.xemacs.org is not stressing any of his resources (disk or bandwidth). So from his point of view there's no pressure to move cvs.xemacs.org. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."