5:36 p.m.
Hi all,
The Fedora project is attempting to move from 32x32 or smaller icons up to
at least 64x64, and preferably 256x256. They say that today's
high-pixel-density displays make the old icons look either (a) really tiny
or (b) fuzzy. Does anybody have, or have the capability to produce, a good
looking XEmacs icon at 64x64 or (better) 256x256? Thank you.
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5:28 p.m.
Hi,
On 29/09/2014 18:36, Jerry James wrote:
Hi all,
The Fedora project is attempting to move from 32x32 or smaller icons up to
at least 64x64, and preferably 256x256. They say that today's
high-pixel-density displays make the old icons look either (a) really tiny
or (b) fuzzy. Does anybody have, or have the capability to produce, a good
looking XEmacs icon at 64x64 or (better) 256x256? Thank you.
Why not just go for vector icons instead?
IIRC Gnome supports SVG icons.
At least make an SVG one and just export whatever resolution you need.
François.
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8:09 a.m.
François Revol writes:
Why not just go for vector icons instead?
IIRC Gnome supports SVG icons.
XEmacs does not. I don't think it does even on GNOME, it uses its own
internal code to handle images.
Patches welcome (as long as they work on non-GTK builds, too).
At least make an SVG one and just export whatever resolution you
need.
That's the obvious thing to do.
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1:15 a.m.
On 01/10/2014 09:09, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Why not just go for vector icons instead?
>
> IIRC Gnome supports SVG icons.
XEmacs does not. I don't think it does even on GNOME, it uses its own
internal code to handle images.
Actually I think I meant Gnome as in "FreeDesktop compliant desktops".
There are definitely svg files in /usr/share/icons/*/scalable/ here,
although I'm not sure it's XDG defined or some other pseudo-standard.
Patches welcome (as long as they work on non-GTK builds, too).
> At least make an SVG one and just export whatever resolution you need.
That's the obvious thing to do.
Another option is to use Haiku's HVIF icon format, but that's probably
less portable (although Icon-O-Matic can export (and import) SVG):
https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2006-11-06/icon_facts
https://www.haiku-os.org/articles/2009-09-14_why_haiku_vector_icons_are_s...
http://api.haiku-os.org/icon_guidelines/
But I suppose since nobody still knows what xattrs are and can do on
linux, it's kinda moot. :D
Btw, what's the current official icon, I've seen so many of them?
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4:22 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:15 PM, François Revol <revol(a)free.fr> wrote:
Btw, what's the current official icon, I've seen so many of
them?
I don't know about official, but I've been using the attached icon for
Fedora purposes. It is 48x48. I would be happy with either an SVG or a
bitmap replacement, but I need something that is 256x256. I am severely
lacking in artistic skills, so I could use some help with this. Does
anybody have the ability to create a good-looking 256x256 (or, failing
that, 64x64) icon?
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5:37 a.m.
François Revol writes:
On 01/10/2014 09:09, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
> > Why not just go for vector icons instead?
> >
> > IIRC Gnome supports SVG icons.
>
> XEmacs does not. I don't think it does even on GNOME, it uses its own
> internal code to handle images.
Actually I think I meant Gnome as in "FreeDesktop compliant
desktops".
I don't have one of those. I wonder how many XEmacsers do. In any
case, it's useful to distribute pre-sized icons for use in other
contexts (eg, AFAIK github and bitbucket accept PNGs but not SVGs).
Also, IIRC XEmacs handles its own icons. We'd need to add code to
inform the desktop of our preferred icon file, and deal with dynamic
icons (cf frame-icon.el), wouldn't we?
although I'm not sure it's XDG defined or some other
pseudo-standard.
Please, don't demote those folks to "pseudo". They're doing a useful
job. Even though I don't use it much, XDG (and related FDO standards)
are standard enough for me to think XEmacs should provide conformant
features for XDG where possible (and developer labor is available).
Another option is to use Haiku's HVIF icon format, but
that's
probably less portable (although Icon-O-Matic can export (and
import) SVG):
I think SVG is the way to go, since it's already well-known and
portable. HVIF could be distributed as an alternative, though. It's
not like putting all of these extra formats in is going to bloat the
distribution by 50%. :-)
But I suppose since nobody still knows what xattrs are and can do on
linux, it's kinda moot. :D
That hasn't stopped us in the past. Feel free to post patches that
take advantage of them!
Btw, what's the current official icon, I've seen so many of
them?
Dunno. I don't think we have an "official" one. Candidates and an
election may be in order? :-)
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7:26 a.m.
>>>> Stephen J Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes:
Dunno. I don't think we have an "official" one.
Candidates and an
election may be in order? :-)
Why not make a new one? ;-) And one that is simpler artistically?
Something that you can do using some svg tool with just a simple
background shape with a foreground X or other simple shape? Similar to
facebook, google+, gmail ...
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4:28 a.m.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
The Fedora project is attempting to move from 32x32 or smaller icons
up to
at least 64x64, and preferably 256x256. They say that today's
high-pixel-density displays make the old icons look either (a) really tiny
or (b) fuzzy. Does anybody have, or have the capability to produce, a good
looking XEmacs icon at 64x64 or (better) 256x256? Thank you.
I happen to know a graphic artist who lives near me, and I knew he was
in between jobs, so I had him take a first cut at this. He did two
versions, attached. What do you think? Is either acceptable? If
not, what would need to be done to make them acceptable? These are
variations on etc/xemacs-icon.xpm, by the way.
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12:53 a.m.
>>>> Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
What do you think? Is either acceptable? If not, what would need
to be done to make them acceptable? These are variations on
etc/xemacs-icon.xpm, by the way.
I like the one with smaller text better but both are good. Good work
from the graphics artist.
I guess these are natural choices if we want it to look as it did
before. Not a bad signal to the world since what is behind it, XEmacs,
more or less is the same thing as before.
For the discussion though, just to see what it would could look like
if we use new icons, and maybe inspire some thoughts, I followed my
own suggestion and took incscape and just used plain text on a gray
background. Two different ideas are attached. Do they convince you
that we should settle for the old style icons or that it is time to
come up with some new icons?
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10:13 p.m.
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Mats Lidell <matsl(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
I like the one with smaller text better but both are good. Good work
from the graphics artist.
I'm going to propose throwing icon that into etc, so it is available
for anyone who wants to use it. Watch for a patch soon.
For the discussion though, just to see what it would could look like
if we use new icons, and maybe inspire some thoughts, I followed my
own suggestion and took incscape and just used plain text on a gray
background. Two different ideas are attached. Do they convince you
that we should settle for the old style icons or that it is time to
come up with some new icons?
I like what you've done. I would like to see some new icons along
these lines, yes.
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>>>> Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
I like what you've done. I would like to see some new icons
along
these lines, yes.
Maybe something your neighbor, the graphics artist, could be inspired
by?
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On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:59 AM, Mats Lidell <matsl(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
Maybe something your neighbor, the graphics artist, could be
inspired
by?
Maybe. Here's the problem, though. I gave him US $30 to do that last
icon because (a) I wanted it, and (b) I knew he was out of work. But
he has since found a job, so he's busier now, and I'm less motivated
to part with my cash. :-)
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>>>> Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
Maybe. Here's the problem, though. I gave him US $30 to do
that
last icon [...]
Oh, No. Now he's used to getting payed for working on XEmacs... ;-)
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Mats Lidell writes:
>>>>> Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
> Maybe. Here's the problem, though. I gave him US $30 to do that
> last icon [...]
Oh, No. Now he's used to getting payed for working on XEmacs... ;-)
*stephen puts out hand*
;-)
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On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
Mats Lidell writes:
> >>>>> Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
>
> > Maybe. Here's the problem, though. I gave him US $30 to do that
> > last icon [...]
>
> Oh, No. Now he's used to getting payed for working on XEmacs... ;-)
*stephen puts out hand*
;-)
Are you telling me that you yen for more money?
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Jerry James writes:
Are you telling me that you yen for more money?
Not really. My problem is really bad balance, too much in the left
hand (my university evaluates us on how much grant money we spend,
whether we can really use it for research or not) and not enough in
the right (daughter wants to go to the most expensive general
education university in Japan, and can probably get in).
I know, I should count my blessings....
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