Ar an séiú lá de mí Eanair, scríobh Kevin Oberman: I wasn’t suggesting the contrary--I hadn’t used either, and hadn’t seen any hard sells for them. Now you mention it, though, the MH-E Info documentation says: “First, enter `M-x load-library <RET> mh-e <RET>’. (1) The message, `Loading mh-e...done’, should be displayed in the minibuffer. If you get `Cannot open load file: mh-e’, then your Emacs is very badly configured, or mh-e is missing. You may wish to have your system administrator install a new Emacs or at least the latest mh-e files. Having loaded mh-e successfully, enter `M-x mh-version <RET>’. The version of mh-e should be displayed. Hopefully it says that you’re running Version 5.0.2 which is the latest version as of this printing. If instead Emacs beeps and says `[No match]’, then you’re running an old version of mh-e.” I do M-x load-library RET mh-e RET , it succeeds, and I try M-x mh-version RET, getting; Unable to find the `mhparam' command That was under "21.4 (patch 13) \"Rational FORTRAN\" XEmacs Lucid", with Redhat’s default set of packages. Under "21.5 (beta18) \"chestnut\" (+CVS-20041130) XEmacs Lucid", with a recent Sumo tarball, I click Options -> Internet -> Compose Mail With -> MH , and then type C-x m . I get, again, Unable to find the `mhparam’ command For Mew, with the same copy of 21.5, I look at the docs, under “Let’s get started” and see: [...] 3. `M-x mew-send' :: Enter Draft mode for message composing. I type that, and I get a gorgeous picture of two kittens, some introductory text, and “Mew errors: Must set `mew-mail-domain-list'” just below the kittens. Nothing I type in this buffer brings me any further. Neither of these is Apple-computer levels of “just working” and while I could solve either issue with some more reading, I believe we would be seeing reports if people were using the packages. -- “Ah come on now Ted, a Volkswagen with a mind of its own, driving all over the place and going mad, if that’s not scary I don’t know what is.”