Jens> now I'm really not in the position to argue on technical stuff with Jens> people like Ben or Bill or Michael, but shouldn't we at least consider Jens> to remove some of the backward compatibility stuff for xemacs? The term "backward compatibility" in this context is completely ridiculous, since neither Gtk nor Qt are full replacements for Xt at this point. Jens> Now we have a growing set of features that can be used to a varying Jens> extent on various platforms, and as far as I can tell, for all the nice Jens> graphics stuff it's the win32 platform that works best. The only toolkit that is Jens> a) free Jens> b) stable enough Jens> c) available on enough platforms Jens> d) able to at least compete featurewise with the win32 toolkit Jens> is gtk. Unfortunately, Gtk doesn't integrate with the X environment. This is the most important requirement for native X users. -- Cheers =8-} Chipsy Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla