Well, I'm certain that I'm confused now. I actually had one session where the font suddenly showed up as "courier oblique" and said so in the apropos buffer. At this point in time, I had NO customization settings active. However, I then exited and restarted, and I was back to unitalic mode. I don't know what I did to get it temporarily into that state. Then, I tried customizing "shell-output-face" to turn on the "bold" bit. This appears to "stick", even after restarting my XEmacs and X session. I think I'm going to stand pat with this. There's obviously something funky in the combination of XEmacs and my ReflectionX installation, but this will suffice for now. Thanks for the help. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:turnbull＠sk.tsukuba.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:41 PM To: Karr, David Cc: xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org Subject: RE: Italic fonts show up as small UNitalic fonts Karr> I'm not having much luck here. OK, first try courier OBLIQUE (-*-courier-*-o-*), not italic. Monospace fonts normally don't have italic versions (I should have remembered that). If you don't have that, your X installation is deficient. Seems unlikely. Check with xfontsel, though. If you have it, try using an explicit specification of courier as family and italic ON in Customize. AFAICT Customize is smart enough to fall back on oblique if italic is unavailable. Set but don't Save it yet. Restore your custom.el, restart, then customize. If that works, you should be able to go back to using Custom for everything. (There's no reason not to use Custom for non-faces.) If that doesn't work, start xemacs -vanilla. Start a shell buffer. Do some work in it (list directories or something). Make sure font-lock is on. In my XEmacs 21.4.4, the family is courier, the prompts are red, commands black, arguments blue, and output oblique. What do you get? If you don't get that, maybe there is an issue with your X server or X font server. If you do ... Split the window with C-x 2. Do M-x customize-face RET shell-output-face RET. You should have the shell buffer in one window and the customize buffer in the other. Changes you make to the face in the customize buffer should be reflected immediately on activating the Set button. Use fonts you know you have versions of (eg, by using xfontsel). Note that the checkboxes activate the specification for italic, etc, but do not change their value. You need to change italic from off to on by clicking on the word "italic". In the customize window, visit your init.el file which I assume by now contains a (set-face-font 'shell-output-face ...) expression. I hope it's different from the font currently used for output in the shell buffer, or you won't see anything change. Execute it with C-x C-e. This should be reflected immediately in existing shell output in the shell buffer. Finally, do a global customization (with menu edit faces). This sholdn't have different results from the one-face customization, but I'd like to check. (Faces have complex inheritance relationships, so it's possible that changing a lot of faces at once could mess something up.) Karr> I'm not sure exactly what you're suggesting in the Karr> paragraph beginning "Sorry, untested suggestion ...". I just meant that I should have known that the face would be undefined if I had tested the recipe. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."