[dkr＠dkrq xemacs-21.5.8]$ xemacs Fatal error (11). Your files have been auto-saved. Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them. If you have access to the PROBLEMS file that came with your version of XEmacs, please check to see if your crash is described there, as there may be a workaround available. Otherwise, please report this bug by running the send-pr script included with XEmacs, or selecting `Send Bug Report' from the help menu. As a last resort send ordinary email to `crashes(a)xemacs.org&#39;. *MAKE SURE* to include the information in the command M-x describe-installation. If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace; it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong. To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the directory in which you started the editor, or maybe in your home directory), and type gdb /usr/local/bin/xemacs core then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up. (If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX, or XDB, or SDB. A similar procedure should work for all of these. Ask your system administrator if you need more help.) Lisp backtrace follows: # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (frame-being-created) make-frame(nil #<x-device on ":0.0" 0x24ca>) frame-initialize() # bind (debugger debug-on-error command-line-args-left) command-line() # (condition-case ... . ((t (byte-code " Â" [error-data data nil] 1)))) # bind (error-data) normal-top-level() # (condition-case ... . error) # (catch top-level ...) Segmentation fault Hi Sorry but no bt. My system is: RH 7.3 2X450 pIII pretty much bog standard. This xemacs does not work at all. I will be reinstalling the old version in about 30 sec. I'll try this after the next upgrade now I have work to do - sorry. PS fell free to ask questions. I will not scrub my system so this thing will still be around. thanks for your time. dkr <dkrq(a)telusplanet.net&gt;