-----Original Message----- From: xemacs-beta-admin(a)xemacs.org [mailto:xemacs-beta-admin＠xemacs.org]On Behalf Of Scott Evans Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:26 PM To: xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org Subject: find-function vs. Windows paths One more while I'm at it. On Windows, when I do find-function, I often get messages like this one: The library "f:\xemacs\xemacs-21.4-release\lisp\replace" is not in the path. I guess that's the place that the files lived when XEmacs was built/dumped(?), but it's not the place they live on my system. (find-library "replace" nil 'insert) => "c:\Program Files\XEmacs\XEmacs-21.4.6\lisp\replace.el" Is this a bug or is this somehow my fault? scott ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- OS version: Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.4.6 \"Common Lisp (Windows [1])\" configured for `i586-pc-win32'. 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Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... The library "f:\xemacs\xemacs-21.4-release\lisp\replace" is not in the path. Loading find-func...done Loading find-func...

If people would only build from source and run-in-place this wouldn't be a problem. ;-)

One sensible way to handle this is to add a SEARCH-LOAD-PATH-TOO flag to `find-library' and `locate-library', if it's nil have them warn "library source not found, probably dumped into XEmacs? use prefix arg to search path" on not found, and if non-nil search for the library on the path. I would prefer those semantics (rather than defaulting to searching load-path) to reduce the incidence of the FAQ, but maybe I'm just a worry-wart.

>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com&gt; writes:

> library on the path. I would prefer those semantics (rather > than defaulting to searching load-path) to reduce the incidence > of the FAQ, but maybe I'm just a worry-wart.

>>>> "Andy" == Andy Piper <andyp(a)bea.com&gt; writes:

> symbol-file is documented to return the file the symbol was > loaded from, not a file from elsewhere. If that file doesn't > exist, tough. It's the caller's responsibility to deal with > that.

>>>> "Andy" == Andy Piper <andy(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes:

>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Piper <andy(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: Andy> Maybe Mike Sperber could comment on this. I've never Andy> understood why the compile time paths get put into the Andy> executable. Because those are the libraries that are loaded, of course. The intent was to make it easy for maintainers and hackers to find the libraries that need to be changed to fix bugs or enhance XEmacs. For them, load-history is the right place to look. If you don't have access to them, well, you don't have access to them. As it is, "It took me forever to find the damn library because find-library was looking for it in the wrong place, and now that I've found and fixed it XEmacs forgets all my changes when I restart" is a FAQ. If people would only build from source and run-in-place this wouldn't be a problem. ;-) One sensible way to handle this is to add a SEARCH-LOAD-PATH-TOO flag to `find-library' and `locate-library', if it's nil have them warn "library source not found, probably dumped into XEmacs? use prefix arg to search path" on not found, and if non-nil search for the library on the path. I would prefer those semantics (rather than defaulting to searching load-path) to reduce the incidence of the FAQ, but maybe I'm just a worry-wart.

symbol-file is documented to return the file the symbol was loaded from, not a file from elsewhere. If that file doesn't exist, tough. It's the caller's responsibility to deal with that.

>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs <youngs(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: