Thanks for the pointers. I will spend some more time playing with package-get, but I do note that IT requires efs, which is not in the base. Sigh. And, now that I have efs installed, I still don't seem to have any luck with get-package. I seem to get no response or get an error that the package is unavailable with verion nil. This happens either from the command line or by entering the lisp command in the scratch buffer. If I have to log into the ftp site to get the version number before loading the package, I might as well just get the package. Also, I'm still in search of sort-subr. I loaded xemacs-base right away, but no sort-subr. It is used by Gnus to process message headers, but so far, no good on getting it to work in 21.0 or to find the fabled sort-subr. Finally, how do I go about getting access to the tpu package (which is really tpu-edt). You may be happy to know that I'll be in class this week, so I won't have much response for a while. :-) Probably for the best since I have had done little work on 21.0 and mostly made (hopefully constructive) critical comments. Thanks again, R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman(a)es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634