Yusuf> Is there something I am missing or I have to inidividually ftp Yusuf> every package I am interested in and then do a tar zpxf in my Yusuf> package dir Andy> If you have efs set up properly you should be able to select Andy> packages under customize->emacs->packages and then download Andy> them with update-packages In other words, you have to manually install the efs package -or- have an existing efs package installed (from an XEmacs 20.4 installation, for example). A poser: how do you get efs? (require 'package-get) ==> package-get (package-get-package-provider 'efs) ==> nil Ah yes: (load "package-get-base") ==> t (package-get-package-provider 'efs) ==> (efs "1.08") Okay, and before I get EFS, I need: (package-get-info-version-prop package-get-base 'efs nil 'requires) ==> (xemacs-base vm dired) EFS requires VM because of efs-vm.el, which allows you to read VM folders over efs connections. Ultimately, in order to install EFS with the package-get mechanism, you need: xemacs-base vm mail-lib dired (and EFS itself, of course, which makes the whole exercise pointless). But you can just untar EFS manually and go from there. Cheers, -- Sam Mikes smikes(a)alumni.hmc.edu