Hi, Well, while writing the crash report for this mark_object-crash just another crash occured. This one was even more unexpectedly. ;-) I typed M-x gnus RET and opened the "Help" menu while gnus was starting, that's all I can remember. GNU gdb 5.0-20001113 (Apple version gdb-203) (Wed Nov 7 16:28:57 GMT 2001) (UI_OUT) Copyright 2000 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "powerpc-apple-macos10". Reading symbols for shared libraries ... done (gdb) run Starting program: /afs/wsi/ppc_macx54/bin/xemacs [Switching to thread 1 (process 637 thread 0x1603)] Reading symbols for shared libraries ....... done Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory. menu_item_type (val=0xdeadbeef) at xlwmenu.c:1510 1510 if (val->type != UNSPECIFIED_TYPE) (gdb) backtrace #0 menu_item_type (val=0xdeadbeef) at xlwmenu.c:1510 #1 0x0012f288 in size_menu_item (mw=0xaef390, val=0xdeadbeef, horizontal=0, toggle_width=0xbfffcc78, label_width=0xbfffcc7c, rest_width=0xbfffcc80, height=0xbfffcc84) at xlwmenu.c:2019 #2 0x0012f3a8 in display_menu_item (mw=0xaef390, val=0xdeadbeef, ws=0xed0ba0, where=0xbfffccf8, highlighted=0 '\000', horizontal=0 '\000', just_compute=0 '\000') at xlwmenu.c:2083 #3 0x0012f8a0 in display_menu (mw=0xaef390, level=-559038737, just_compute_p=0 '\000', highlighted_pos=0x0, hit=0x0, hit_return=0x0, this=0x0, that=0x0) at xlwmenu.c:2278 #4 0x00130d34 in XlwMenuRedisplay (w=0xdeadbeef, ev=0xdeadbeef, region=0x0) at xlwmenu.c:3114 #5 0x00637c74 in SendExposureEvent () #6 0x00637934 in CompressExposures () #7 0x00637678 in XtDispatchEventToWidget () #8 0x006380ac in _XtDefaultDispatcher () #9 0x006383dc in XtDispatchEvent () #10 0x00642060 in XtAppProcessEvent () #11 0x0010d828 in emacs_Xt_next_event (emacs_event=0xb24a14) at event-Xt.c:2678 #12 0x0005e2c8 in event_stream_next_event (event=0xb24a14) at event-stream.c:499 #13 0x000606e8 in next_event_internal (target_event=11684372, allow_queued=0) at event-stream.c:1959 #14 0x00061ba4 in Fsit_for (seconds=-559038737, nodisplay=9005528) at event-stream.c:2824 #15 0x000392cc in Feval (form=12300692) at eval.c:3331 #16 0x00034dcc in Fprogn (args=15542976) at eval.c:775 #17 0x00034af0 in Fif (args=-559038737) at eval.c:693 #18 0x00039184 in Feval (form=15543012) at eval.c:3304 #19 0x000395d4 in Feval (form=12300644) at eval.c:3409 #20 0x00034dcc in Fprogn (args=12300632) at eval.c:775 #21 0x0003532c in Flet (args=-559038737) at eval.c:944 #22 0x00039184 in Feval (form=12299404) at eval.c:3304 #23 0x00034dcc in Fprogn (args=12299392) at eval.c:775 #24 0x0002a7b4 in Fsave_excursion (args=12299392) at editfns.c:401 #25 0x00039184 in Feval (form=12299332) at eval.c:3304 #26 0x00034dcc in Fprogn (args=12300812) at eval.c:775 #27 0x0003a2b0 in funcall_lambda (fun=12300824, nargs=0, args=0xbfffdb58) at eval.c:3856 #28 0x000396ac in Feval (form=15268284) at eval.c:3434 #29 0x00034dcc in Fprogn (args=15268272) at eval.c:775 #30 0x00034af0 in Fif (args=-559038737) at eval.c:693 #31 0x00039184 in Feval (form=15234404) at eval.c:3304 #32 0x00034dcc in Fprogn (args=15234356) at eval.c:775 #33 0x0003a2b0 in funcall_lambda (fun=15270132, nargs=3, args=0xbfffdf28) at eval.c:3856 #34 0x000396ac in Feval (form=12216116) at eval.c:3434 #35 0x00034dcc in Fprogn (args=12216392) at eval.c:775 #36 0x0003a2b0 in funcall_lambda (fun=12216056, nargs=1, args=0xbfffe1cc) at eval.c:3856 #37 0x00039b7c in Ffuncall (nargs=-559038737, args=0xbfffe1c8) at eval.c:3571 #38 0x00014a3c in Fcall_interactively (function=8926304, record_flag=9004376, keys=9005528) at callint.c:940 #39 0x000386c0 in Fcommand_execute (cmd=8926304, record_flag=9004376, keys=9005528) at eval.c:2970 #40 0x000399a8 in Ffuncall (nargs=-559038737, args=0xbfffe42c) at eval.c:3528 #41 0x0001022c in execute_optimized_program (program=0xdeadbeef <Address 0xdeadbeef out of bounds>, stack_depth=-559038737, constants_data=0x976be4) at bytecode.c:746 #42 0x0000fb80 in funcall_compiled_function (fun=10098872, nargs=1, args=0x88ecb0) at bytecode.c:515 #43 0x00039b48 in Ffuncall (nargs=-559038737, args=0xbfffe5e8) at eval.c:3563 #44 0x00014a3c in Fcall_interactively (function=8898440, record_flag=9005528, keys=9005528) at callint.c:940 #45 0x000386c0 in Fcommand_execute (cmd=8898440, record_flag=9005528, keys=9005528) at eval.c:2970 #46 0x00063538 in execute_command_event (command_builder=0xaa09e0, event=11682980) at event-stream.c:3915 #47 0x00063b60 in Fdispatch_event (event=11684024) at event-stream.c:4199 #48 0x0001997c in Fcommand_loop_1 () at cmdloop.c:583 #49 0x000197c4 in command_loop_1 (dummy=-559038737) at cmdloop.c:494 #50 0x000360f4 in condition_case_1 (handlers=1241736, bfun=0x1978c <command_loop_1>, barg=9005528, hfun=0x19010 <cmd_error>, harg=9005528) at eval.c:1651 #51 0x000191a4 in command_loop_3 () at cmdloop.c:256 #52 0x000191d0 in command_loop_2 (dummy=-559038737) at cmdloop.c:267 #53 0x00035c68 in internal_catch (tag=-559038737, func=0x191b4 <command_loop_2>, arg=9005528, threw=0x0) at eval.c:1317 #54 0x000193f0 in initial_command_loop (load_me=-559038737) at cmdloop.c:305 #55 0x00031f80 in sort_args (argc=2258248, argv=0x0) at emacs.c:2353 #56 0x0012f288 in size_menu_item (mw=0x0, val=0xbffff2dc, horizontal=-1073745180, toggle_width=0x1, label_width=0x8, rest_width=0xbffff2d8, height=0x0) at xlwmenu.c:2019 #57 0x00002560 in _start () #58 0x00002390 in start () (gdb) quit The program is running. Exit anyway? (y or n) Ciao, Eric -- "Excuse me --- Di Du Du Duuuuh Di Dii --- Huh Weeeheeee" (Albert King)