Andy> At 12:04 11/01/01 -0500, Raymond Toy wrote: Andy> I am totally convince that not using these would make many of your problems go away :) Well, a lot of my problems would go away if I stopped using computers all together, but then I'd need to find a new job as well. :-) However, my problems still exist if I build and link with just openwin, which is what I've been doing for a very long time. Just these last two build have I tried using X11R6.4. (Because GNOME doesn't work with the libICE we have, and I'm too lazy to get the IT guys to upgrade to the correct libICE because then everyone who wants GNOME will have to do it. It was far easier to use X11R6.4.) Ray