Frequently one sees references like the following: <quote> See the thread starting at http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/200112/msg00367.html for more details. </quote> If one is reading via the list, how can the message identifier be discovered? Blue-sky thinking, the listserver should assign the archival ID *before* passing the message around the list. The archival ID should then be included in the RFC822 "envelope", probably as "Resent-Message-ID: ". I know that is NOT an Xemacs problem -- I don't know who maintains your listserver. If someone will point, I'll take it up with them. -- David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate "By God's Grace I am a Christian man, by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim; R. M. French, tr. Life is too short to tolerate crappy software. .