9:08 p.m.
Ville Skyttä <ville.skytta(a)xemacs.org> writes:
Thought it would be useful to check the REPLYTO environment variable
when finding user-mail-address.
I don't agree -- trn, elm, etc use the REPLYTO environment variable to
populate the Reply-To: header, and this is also how sendmail.el
already behaves. I haven't seen it being used to populate the From:
address, and isn't `user-mail-address' used for other things
(anonymous ftp address, changelog entries etc) as well? It doesn't
seem like the right thing.
What do you think?
10:59 p.m.
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Simon Josefsson writes:
Ville Skyttä <ville.skytta(a)xemacs.org> writes:
> Thought it would be useful to check the REPLYTO environment variable
> when finding user-mail-address.
I don't agree -- trn, elm, etc use the REPLYTO environment variable to
populate the Reply-To: header, and this is also how sendmail.el
already behaves. I haven't seen it being used to populate the From:
address, and isn't `user-mail-address' used for other things
(anonymous ftp address, changelog entries etc) as well? It doesn't
seem like the right thing.
What do you think?
There are good reasons why the two headers are distinct. Some people
have situations that force a particular From header, but have liberty
in setting the Reply-To (I used to have this). I don't think
populating user-mail-address from REPLYTO would be a good idea.
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Robert Pluim
1:02 p.m.
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On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 00:59, Robert Pluim wrote:
Simon Josefsson writes:
> Ville Skyttä <ville.skytta(a)xemacs.org> writes:
>
> > Thought it would be useful to check the REPLYTO environment variable
> > when finding user-mail-address.
>
> I don't agree -- trn, elm, etc use the REPLYTO environment variable to
> populate the Reply-To: header, and this is also how sendmail.el
> already behaves. I haven't seen it being used to populate the From:
> address, and isn't `user-mail-address' used for other things
> (anonymous ftp address, changelog entries etc) as well? It doesn't
> seem like the right thing.
>
> What do you think?
There are good reasons why the two headers are distinct. Some people
have situations that force a particular From header, but have liberty
in setting the Reply-To (I used to have this). I don't think
populating user-mail-address from REPLYTO would be a good idea.
Well, I must agree. I tried to find an "standard" env variable that
would be used to tell the _sender_ address and REPLYTO was the closest
one I found. Why? Because I think "user-login-name＠system-name" too
often produces addresses that cannot be used for mail delivery.
If there is a "standard" env var that is used for a sender address,
please let me know... I guess that could be used for populating
user-mail-address instead of REPLYTO.
--
Ville Skyttä
ville.skytta(a)xemacs.org
3:54 p.m.
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Ville Skyttä <ville.skytta(a)xemacs.org> writes:
On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 00:59, Robert Pluim wrote:
> Simon Josefsson writes:
> > Ville Skyttä <ville.skytta(a)xemacs.org> writes:
> >
> > > Thought it would be useful to check the REPLYTO environment variable
> > > when finding user-mail-address.
> >
> > I don't agree -- trn, elm, etc use the REPLYTO environment variable to
> > populate the Reply-To: header, and this is also how sendmail.el
> > already behaves. I haven't seen it being used to populate the From:
> > address, and isn't `user-mail-address' used for other things
> > (anonymous ftp address, changelog entries etc) as well? It doesn't
> > seem like the right thing.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> There are good reasons why the two headers are distinct. Some people
> have situations that force a particular From header, but have liberty
> in setting the Reply-To (I used to have this). I don't think
> populating user-mail-address from REPLYTO would be a good idea.
Well, I must agree. I tried to find an "standard" env variable that
would be used to tell the _sender_ address and REPLYTO was the closest
one I found. Why? Because I think "user-login-name＠system-name" too
often produces addresses that cannot be used for mail delivery.
If there is a "standard" env var that is used for a sender address,
please let me know... I guess that could be used for populating
user-mail-address instead of REPLYTO.
A little googling reveals FROM. However, I'm not sure if any of these
is commonly used at all. And wouldn't it be breaking the unix culture
if you didn't need to configure your email address into each and every
application you use? :-)
The situation is bad, of course, but the least worse solution I can
think of is making XEmacs a proper Gnome and KDE application, then it
could get your email address from Gnome/KDE. Doesn't work for
Windows, CDE, tty etc though.
OTOH, calling user-mail-address SHOULD query the user for the email
address if it isn't known, and save it for future uses, so what is the
problem? Doesn't it work?
10:56 p.m.
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On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 17:54, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> If there is a "standard" env var that is used for a
sender address,
> please let me know... I guess that could be used for populating
> user-mail-address instead of REPLYTO.
A little googling reveals FROM. However, I'm not sure if any of these
is commonly used at all. And wouldn't it be breaking the unix culture
if you didn't need to configure your email address into each and every
application you use? :-)
Bingo, this is what I was looking for (the "breaking the unix culture"
part).
[...]
OTOH, calling user-mail-address SHOULD query the user for the email
address if it isn't known, and save it for future uses, so what is the
problem? Doesn't it work?
Yes, it does, and of course there is not much of a problem here. But
user-mail-address is not always interactive, for example with
add-change-log-entry. And for the rare cases that this actually is an
issue, I think it wouldn't hurt if we could guess better :)
--
Ville Skyttä
ville.skytta(a)xemacs.org
2:47 a.m.
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Simon Josefsson writes:
A little googling reveals FROM. However, I'm not sure if any of
these
is commonly used at all. And wouldn't it be breaking the unix culture
if you didn't need to configure your email address into each and every
application you use? :-)
how many email applications do you use :P
being part of this "unix culture" i have never heard of using an ENV
var to set your email address
The situation is bad, of course, but the least worse solution I can
think of is making XEmacs a proper Gnome and KDE application, then it
could get your email address from Gnome/KDE. Doesn't work for
Windows, CDE, tty etc though.
and how many XEmacs users use gnome?? i used to but it pissed me off
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1:47 p.m.
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|--==> "r" == rendhalver <(Peter Brown)"
<rendhalver(a)xemacs.org>> writes:
r> how many email applications do you use :P
There is only one isn't there? Gnus! :-P (couldn't resist)
r> and how many XEmacs users use gnome?? i used to but it pissed me
r> off
Um, I use gnome. So I guess the count is at least 1. :-)
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4:29 p.m.
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"Rendhalver (Peter Brown)" <rendhalver(a)xemacs.org> writes:
Simon Josefsson writes:
> A little googling reveals FROM. However, I'm not sure if any of these
> is commonly used at all. And wouldn't it be breaking the unix culture
> if you didn't need to configure your email address into each and every
> application you use? :-)
how many email applications do you use :P
Over time I use most email applications. I hate having to configure
each one of them with the same information. It should be sufficient
to configure this into my machine once.
> The situation is bad, of course, but the least worse solution I
can
> think of is making XEmacs a proper Gnome and KDE application, then it
> could get your email address from Gnome/KDE. Doesn't work for
> Windows, CDE, tty etc though.
and how many XEmacs users use gnome?? i used to but it pissed me off
For those users that use gnome, it would make things better. For
others, it wouldn't matter.
But I don't know how to extract the users' email address out of
gnome...
12:31 p.m.
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Simon Josefsson writes:
"Rendhalver (Peter Brown)" <rendhalver(a)xemacs.org>
writes:
> Simon Josefsson writes:
> > A little googling reveals FROM. However, I'm not sure if any of these
> > is commonly used at all. And wouldn't it be breaking the unix culture
> > if you didn't need to configure your email address into each and every
> > application you use? :-)
>
> how many email applications do you use :P
Over time I use most email applications. I hate having to configure
each one of them with the same information. It should be sufficient
to configure this into my machine once.
i just stick with one less memory usage that way :)
> > The situation is bad, of course, but the least worse
solution I can
> > think of is making XEmacs a proper Gnome and KDE application, then it
> > could get your email address from Gnome/KDE. Doesn't work for
> > Windows, CDE, tty etc though.
>
> and how many XEmacs users use gnome?? i used to but it pissed me off
For those users that use gnome, it would make things better. For
others, it wouldn't matter.
But I don't know how to extract the users' email address out of
gnome...
its probably something that gconf deals with if you want to do it
"properly" that is, otherwise it would live in ~/.gnome/ somewhere
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