AJ> I've uploaded edit-utils 1.44 to AJ> ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/beta/incoming. AJ> The file bookmarks was not usable with XEmacs 21.1.x, I've applied a AJ> quick fix from Adrian. I'd like to see a real fix soon. The current situation with our stable/unstable branches is problematic. XEmacs 21.1 itself may be stable, but the packages used with it are in flux. As a result, nobody is even able to reproduce an install of earlier releases of 21.1, because the packages have changed. It might be considered a matter of philosophy whether the packages are separate from the XEmacs `kernel'. This is similar to the situation with the Linux kernel. My feeling is that the users don't care about this distinction, and would like a stable XEmacs and a development XEmacs. Unfortunately, the development XEmacs keeps making random changes to the packages, which break the stable XEmacs. This is especially easy to do, since the developers typically never run 21.1, and so might write to a new API. If we're serious about having a stable and unstable XEmacs series, that needs to extend to the packages as well. In particular, this is a strong argument in favor of at moving at least the core packages currently maintained by the XEmacs development team back into the XEmacs tree, or some other measure to ensure true stability of future stable releases. For large external packages like JDE, I agree the picture is different. Martin