==> Jan Vroonhof writes: Jan> Is it OK if I ask them? It might wake up some sleeping Jan> dogs[1] Go for it. I'd be interested to hear what they say. Jan> Footnotes: [1] Does that expression exist in English? I think Jan> you understand what I mean anyway. That expression works. Jonathan -- Jonathan B. Leffert <jonathan(a)leffert.net&gt; <jonathan(a)cs.uchicago.edu&gt; "I resigned because I have come to the conclusion that my time would be better spent studying Greek, drinking beer, and trying to prevent this school from becoming a clone of Northwestern." -- Ben Tievsky