Mats, Marcus, Both of you refer to "themed icons" and I am not understanding how you mean that term. There are thousand's of icons already made on the internet and thousands of themes that people put together with those icons--exactly what themed icons are you talking about? It sounds like you have something definite in mind with that term. The problem I have using the tango icon set on my desktop is they do not have (and do not intend to have) the size of icons that I use on my desktop, I use the 128 x 128 size, which gives an icon of about 3/4" or 20mm square on a 30" monitor. I think Enlightenment might be scaling them down some, and cannot tell for sure at the moment, but those sizes I measured with a scale are actual. Tango has a new optional size of 256 x 256 but I didn't see any themes that include that optional size (which could be scaled down to 128 x 128 individually in gimp). Could be because it is optional and maybe because it is new. Or maybe I didn't search hard enough. I agree the icons that come with XEmacs could use improving, and for me the biggest improvement would be the size. I measured the icons that are default in XEmacs and they measure 3/8" or 10mm square and the text is not readily readable. Just to be clear, I don't want icons 3/4" x 3/4" in an application, that is just what size I use on my desktop, my thought was maybe "themed icons" referred to the same theme as the user was using on their desktop. I spent some time last week learning how XEmacs does icons and feel confident that I could write a Icon Theme menu that would let you with one click change between sets of icons or their size. A list could be stored in a file for each theme--you just edit a template file to point to the location of the icons you want to use. Is that the kind of improvement people want to see? Ease of switching between icons or icon sets? It is not hard to create icons, just time consuming. Is that what people who what better icons in XEmacs want? Being able to use New Icons without the drudgery involved in creating them? A lot of good icons exist... I asked which icons people wanted in a complete "set" of XEmacs icons before, trying to get an idea which icons that tango, for example, would not have in their themes (thinking news, for example), that would have to be created to have a full set for an XEmacs icon theme. I would also like to ask: what sizes should the XEmacs icons come in? Currently they are only in one size: 28 x 28 icon only and 33 x 33 icon with label. Steve Mitchell _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta