nbecker> I don't have any anon ftp that you can use :( I haven't used the cvs nbecker> download before. I could email it to you uuencoded or base 64, it'd be about 200k. Seems so primitive, but I don't really have an ftp site. nbecker> I just tried it nbecker> nbecker> cvs -z9 -d :pserver:xemacs＠cvs.xemacs.org:/usr/CVSroot checkout nbecker> xemacs-pcl-cvs nbecker> nbecker> I got the source OK, but I don't know what to do with it: nbecker> nbecker> make -n nbecker> Makefile:36: ../../XEmacs.rules: No such file or directory nbecker> make: *** No rule to make target `../../XEmacs.rules'. Stop. nbecker> nbecker> Obviously, this only works if you have more of the source tree. Any nbecker> suggestions? You'd need to checkout elib, xemacs-base, and dired too (but see below), as well as ../../{XEmacs.rules,hack-package-index.el,package-compile.el}. I remember all this being non-trivial to get set up, I think I had to cvs -z9 -d :pserver:xemacs＠cvs.xemacs.org:/usr/CVSroot checkout xemacs-package-ctlfile and then make links so the ../../XEmacs.rules works. You'll also have to edit a few paths in XEmacs.rules. The 3 other packages had to be in ../../libs/{dired,elib,xemacs-base}. I actually got away with making links to my binary package lisp directories: [xemacs-pcl-cvs] catbus| ls -l ../../libs total 3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 greg MSTAR 64 Sep 29 21:33 dired -> /atech/contrib/xemacs/xemacs-21.0/lib/xemacs/packages/lisp/dired/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 greg MSTAR 63 Sep 29 21:33 elib -> /atech/contrib/xemacs/xemacs-21.0/lib/xemacs/packages/lisp/elib/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 greg MSTAR 70 Sep 29 21:33 xemacs-base -> /atech/contrib/xemacs/xemacs-21.0/lib/xemacs/packages/lisp/xemacs-base/