On 16 Dec 1999, Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch&gt; wrote: Well, those all passed with the exception of a redraw bug with the `progress bar in modeline' case. That one is a nice black space unless it is actively being updated -- it shows during that, but reverts to black later on. The radio and toggle buttons are also messed up, drawing the text under the button decoration. This is with neXtaw. But... it works. No crash. :) I can test with flat Xaw, if you want, but testing configure with my patch tells me that it finds -lXaw and the flat headers correctly. I don't think, given that several other people have success with flat Xaw and the progress gauge that I can add any useful data points here. I don't actually change the way Xaw is used, just the way it's found. Yes. It's easy to change, but I think that using flat Xaw by default and letting people ask for something fancier. OTOH it does try and make the failure case for fancier widgets as deterministic as possible. If you want... Um, what's the general policy for finding out what the consensus of the XEmacs gurus is on this sort of issue? [...] Hmmm. I think I have to admit addiction. I occasionally regret that the product I work on here is not written in Lisp and is not self-documenting ;) If I get some free time I might have a look at that. Daniel -- The Scots long ago came up with an ancient word for a magic spell that creates an illusion of beauty where no beauty exists. The word is 'glamour'. -- L.M. Boyd