Karl M Hegbloom <psu25682(a)odin.cc.pdx.edu&gt; writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: There is a very sick router or host upstream of it that has effectively cut me off since last Wednesday. 12 tr-sj1.kddnet.ad.jp (203.181.96.130) 168.497 ms 165.848 ms 163.687 ms 13 * * sjc1-core2-a4-0.atlas.digex.net (198.32.128.46) 255.715 ms 14 207.238.136.58 (207.238.136.58) 234.911 ms 242.347 ms * 15 thebro.lanminds.com (208.25.68.4) 264.036 ms * * 16 * cvs.xemacs.org (208.25.65.6) 290.509 ms * My best guess it is at hop 13 or 14 in the above traceroute. -- I protest the NATO war in Yugoslavia.