Charles> Lynn David Newton writes: Charles> Umm, I'm not an Hyperbole user, but it is my impression Charles> that the attempt to commercialize this failed, and it is Charles> now free again: Charles> http://sourceforge.net/projects/hyperbole/ AFAIK it's always been free. Bob's marketing people seemed to think it was a good idea to restrict visibility so that people would go to Altrasoft/BeOpen to get the software. In any case, we may have a volunteer to maintain the whole thing (InfoDock, that is) as packaged Lisp, and Bob has expressed interest in merging as much C-level code as possible (he's very attracted by the idea of getting a free Windows port, they did one specially and it hurt ;-). He has explicitly given the go-ahead to packagize oo-browser and hyperbole, and I think we have a volunteer to maintain that, too. I think Bob intends to keep close control of development, we need to work out details of import to XEmacs CVS and stuff. If you're interested in working on this, let me know offline. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Don't ask how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.