Giacomo> i want to hit the heads of the Mac designers with a large stick Giacomo> every single time this happens! however, clicking the Giacomo> full-screen icon (i mean "(+)") in the titlebar sometimes fixes Giacomo> the problem Ah, thanks. Had forgotten about that trick. I see that there is a create-frame-hook. From that I could call frame-height and frame-width to get the desired height and width of the free in lines and characters, respectively. I don't see how to get the same values for the screen as a whole in those units though. Skip _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta