Rick Campbell <rick(a)campbellcentral.org&gt; writes: The major problem people who mirror the XEmacs ftp site are then suddenly civillly disobient(sp?) too. AFAIK you still have to have explicit permission from ascom it is just that they have a policy of granting them for non-commercial use. Anyway you better use something like blowfish that is totally free anyway. Jan P.S. I pass by ASCOM every week on the way to and from my girlfriend which I am more involved in the matter as I would otherwise be.