Something has changed in about the last month with respect to default-toolbar-position and the size of the initial frame. In 21.4, if you customize default-toolbar-position to 'left, it lies to the window manager at first. It tells it that it is creating a frame of width 80, but computes the pixel width assuming that the toolbar is at the top. Even after the frame has been created, XEmacs continues telling the window manager that the frame has a width of 80. It is only after the frame has been resized in the *vertical* direction that XEmacs suddenly changes its mind about the horizontal width and admits that it is only 76 or so. In 21.5, for the last several months, it would map the initial frame with the wrong width, just like in 21.4, but then about the time the scrollbars got drawn, it would redraw the frame with the correct width. I haven't built a new 21.5 for a few weeks, so I don't know when this changed, but today 21.5 is acting like 21.4 again. Does anybody know what might have changed? Is this a known problem? -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/