Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor] writes: Well, maybe it hasn't changed, but there's something wrong if _at build time_ core Lisp gets shadowed by stuff in the packages. And whether it has changed or not, the explicit statement about the load-path being used by loadup.el in my beta.err is at best extremely misleading. IMO, an XEmacs in the process of building should by default trust nothing outside of the core Lisp directories. There should be a "more-dumped-lisp.el" file which is either created by a human or by ./configure. All stuff from outside the core that gets dumped should go into that file. It should contain nothing but explicit loads with full pathnames, although if human has a lot of such stuff to dump, he might be lazy and add some stuff to load-path. After it gets dumped, the load-path should be reported again. `more-dumped-lisp.el's contents should be reported in Installation. I don't have time to implement this :(, but that's what I'd do if I did. OK. I'll look at doing the same for vc. With auto-autoloads, dumping is purely a speed optimization. Yes. Because it's (a) not supposed to be in packages at all now, and (b) it never got loaded in 21.1. It's one of the evil Mule non-ISO- 2022-charset support files that got moved out of the core for a while, then got moved back in. So, I never built in an environment sufficiently hosed to pick it up from packages before. Normally the only shadow I permit is vc over vc-cc. This shadow I didn't notice because on that box I've only built 21.1, so it didn't get reported. Vietnamese is one of the few languages that has no ISO-2022 compatible encodings at all. It is supported by a truly ugly hack in 21.2, which probably doesn't matter any more. I intend to let viet*.el die of obsolescence when we get decent Unicode support, unless somebody more aggressive than I decides to euthanize it sooner. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."