APA> Try running APA> xemacs -no-init-file -no-site-file APA> which will not read the site start file nor the user init file. APA> I predict this will not put the *scratch* buffer in PenDel minor mode. mb> It does for me. Do I win anything? ;-). Oh YES! You won a credit for a FREE download of pc-1.10-pkg.tar.gz from an ftp site near you ;-> mb> Of course, it must not for you, otherwise you wouldn't have made that mb> prediction. Any idea what else could be pulling it in then? Beats me. Make sure you don't have any handy aliases involved, like alias xemacs "xemacs -l my-stuff.el" What platform/OS are you running XEmacs on? If you have a csh, start xemacs with a leading \ to avoid alias lookup. \xemacs -vanilla mb> -- mb> -mb- -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Straße 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MÜNCHEN E-mail aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com