From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org&gt; To: "Ben Wing" <ben_wing(a)hotmail.com&gt; CC: kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com, jpw(a)shootybangbang.com, xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org Subject: Re: bug? setenv in 21.5 shadows setenv in xemacs-base Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:09:16 +0900 >>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <ben_wing(a)hotmail.com&gt; writes: Ben> please don't do any major shuffling until we have a proper Ben> infrastructure for supporting (a) moving of stuff between Ben> core and packages, This was my position anyway. Ben> (1) it is a lot of work to move stuff around, and imho not Ben> worth it because it doesn't get us any functionality Ben> improvements, and we have limited resources. This is just plain wrong. Work is involved, yes, but XEmacs out of the box is far more functional than GNU Emacs primarily because of the packages. And packagization has gotten us resources. Ben> in conclusion, this separation is a nice idea but not we've Ben> really put the cart before the horse. It is certainly worth revising the current setup to make core development more effective, but you're the odd man out, here, Ben---using Hotmail and Mozilla for mail, for heaven's sake! Of course you see little benefit from packagization---you don't use the packages! Ben> who out there has the time to rearrange the two? Dunno, but there are definitely possibilities. Steve Youngs is interested in doing some of this _kind_ of thing (improve the package system) as beta maintainer, although he may not want to shuffle packages. We now have two package engineers (Ville and Rendhalver). And if we don't get those guys to do it, I'll look around. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py