Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp&gt; writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: Greg> Can we add this to some appropriate XEmacs package? The new Greg> pcl-cvs maintainer has decided to use this package, which is Greg> included in GNU Emacs, and I'd like to be able to upgrade Greg> our pcl-cvs before too long. There isn't too much of a point with a function like `add-minor-mode'. Yup, if we use it at all[1]. After a first reading, I don't particularly care for having it as part of XEmacs. Do you mean the lack of the ability of the minor mode to run code of its own in the canned toggle function? I'm more concerned about the ordering problem than with the user doing setq on a hook. If the user wishes to `setq' a hook, he must be prepared to accept the consequences of it. I notice though that the hook variables are declared with `defvar' instead of `defcustom'. Footnotes: [1] Greg, this would mean you would need to rename the file pcl-cvs-easy-mmode.el and put it in the pcl-cvs package, if it must be used.