Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr&gt; writes: It doesn't contain the simplest reference to the message that produced the error. Not even a reminder of the subject line or something. I'd find it a bit more polite^H^H^Hfriendly to contain such a reference. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ JIC, that was ironic. No I didn't have a bad day. I just hate anonymity. This message is indeed very polite, but you can perfectly tell somebody to get lost with very polite terms. To me, the sentence "if your message doesn't contain a patch, it will be discarded" sounds like politely telling the guy that we don't give a damn to what he says appart from diff -u. Imagine the occasional poster that fucked up his posting, or posted by mistake as Adrian pointed out. There could be a more friendly message instead, like "This list is for patches only. If your message contains a bug report or general comments on xemacs, please try xemacs-beta", but not just "You lost. Try again." There might be a cultural difference here. Maybe it's the frogs. Maybe it's just me. Oh well, maybe I'm having a bad day, after all :-) --Didier