1:34 p.m.
On upgrading from 21.5.17 to 21.5.28 I found that psgml-dtds has been
deprecated. My own XML documents where I manage the DTDs are okay.
Standard DTDs such as HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 are no longer available.
What is the recommended config now? Should I force the psgml-dtds
package to install, or manage all the DTDs in my own area?
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7:29 p.m.
On Jan 11, 2008 6:34 AM, Pete Forman <pete.forman(a)westerngeco.com> wrote:
On upgrading from 21.5.17 to 21.5.28 I found that psgml-dtds has
been
deprecated. My own XML documents where I manage the DTDs are okay.
Standard DTDs such as HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 are no longer available.
That package was deprecated because we realized that we could not
predict which set of DTDs would be appropriate for our users.
What is the recommended config now? Should I force the psgml-dtds
package to install, or manage all the DTDs in my own area?
If the psgml-dtds package contains a set of DTDs that make you happy,
then using it for now is okay. However, in the long run you will want
to set up your own area. On some platforms, DTDs may be available
already. For example, on my Fedora machines, I add all the catalogs
in subdirectories of /usr/share/sgml to sgml-local-catalogs, which
does the right thing.
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3:27 p.m.
"Jerry James" <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
If the psgml-dtds package contains a set of DTDs that make you
happy, then using it for now is okay. However, in the long run you
will want to set up your own area.
I've looked around and have not found a better set of DTDs for text
documents. psgml-dtds covers HTML to 4.01, XHTML to 1.0, DocBook 3.1.
My own area has newer DTDs such as XHTML 1.1 and SVG 1.0 and 1.1.
Then there are DTDs that are used within my company only.
On some platforms, DTDs may be available already. For example, on
my Fedora machines, I add all the catalogs in subdirectories of
/usr/share/sgml to sgml-local-catalogs, which does the right thing.
This does not seem to be the case for Windows / Cygwin. The closest
that I managed was to install docbook packages which did the DTDs plus
an XML Catalog rooted at /etc/xml/catalog. sgml-common does not seem
to be packaged for Cygwin; if it were (not too difficult I guess) then
it could be used to manage an Open Catalog rooted at
/etc/sgml/catalog.
My current setup is to use xemacs-packages and site-packages to keep
my various DTDs in. Then I point xmllint at them using an XML catalog
that I edit manually (using PSGML :-).
ISTM that there is an opportunity for a catalog manager application
for local copies of DTDs, etc. It might provide an Open Catalog for
PSGML and OpenSP, and an XML Catalog for libxml2, etc. Maybe even
conversions to RNG, XSD, etc. Does such a beast exist? I'm going to
try out xmlcatmgr + Trang.
The bottom line for me is that psgml-dtds is still useful and I have
installed it in xemacs-packages.
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9:37 p.m.
Pete Forman writes:
On upgrading from 21.5.17 to 21.5.28 I found that psgml-dtds has
been
deprecated.
What do you mean by that? The XEmacs core distribution neither knows
nor cares about how you edit SGML nor where you get your DTDs, and if
the core upgrade changed that, it's a bug. Did you reinstall the
packages?
My own XML documents where I manage the DTDs are okay.
Standard DTDs such as HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 are no longer available.
What is the recommended config now? Should I force the psgml-dtds
package to install, or manage all the DTDs in my own area?
The recommended config is to manage the DTDs in a standard place,
because our package is very old, incomplete (no DocBook 4 at all!) and
possibly buggy. It would be bad if it shadowed a modern competently
maintained library of DTDs. "Somebody" should write a package to
interface with the various cataloging utilities to find DTDs.
That said, AFAIK that library has not been written yet, and there's no
harm in requesting installation of psgml-dtds (you don't need to
"force" it, we just want you to request it explicitly).
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7:49 p.m.
On Friday 11 January 2008, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
That said, AFAIK that library has not been written yet, and
there's no
harm in requesting installation of psgml-dtds (you don't need to
"force" it, we just want you to request it explicitly).
On the subject of psgml-dtds, the XEmacs FAQ has had this for a long time:
psgml-dtds
A collection of DTDs for psgml. Note that this package is deprecated and
will be removed in the future, most likely Q2/2003. Instead of using this,
you should install needed DTDs yourself.
It's almost 5 years after Q2/2003 now, maybe it's time to just remove the
package?
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1:59 a.m.
Ville Skyttä writes:
On Friday 11 January 2008, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> That said, AFAIK that library has not been written yet, and there's no
> harm in requesting installation of psgml-dtds (you don't need to
> "force" it, we just want you to request it explicitly).
On the subject of psgml-dtds, the XEmacs FAQ has had this for a long time:
psgml-dtds
A collection of DTDs for psgml. Note that this package is deprecated and
will be removed in the future, most likely Q2/2003. Instead of using this,
you should install needed DTDs yourself.
It's almost 5 years after Q2/2003 now, maybe it's time to just remove the
package?
They're not really doing any harm, nobody reads the FAQ. I suggest
that we remove them from the sumo. Then they're a back up for people
like the OP.
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