SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: You mean Erik? Few people are close to him, really, and personally I don't have much faith in his clemacs. Although I don't have as strong feelings against him as Michael, I don't think he is capable of cooperating with the folks here. He hates clisp, anyway. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr&gt; | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- The meta-Turing test counts a thing as intelligent if it seeks to devise and apply Turing tests to objects of its own creation.