Hrvoje> I'm not sure how stable the symbol property is supposed to Hrvoje> be. It had better be pretty stable, or users are going to get confused. The "reset to standard settings" button in the reset menu in a customize buffer doesn't even tell you what it is, nor does the documentation in the variables' own areas as far as I can see. For example, PSGML tries to provide this service for its own variables, but sometimes incorrectly as far as I can tell. The reason for the AFAICT is that I'm not exactly sure what PSGML means when it tells you the default value for one of its options, but it seems that sometimes when you set an option it tells you later that the option itself wasn't set, but the default was. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +1 (298) 53-5091