Well, I have a XEmacs that runs using the gtk event loop, and all of the basic redisplay mechanisms have been rewritten to use Gdk drawing methods. This involved writing (basically rewriting the *-x.c equivalents) console-gtk.c device-gtk.c event-gtk.c frame-gtk.c gccache-gtk.c glyphs-gtk.c objects-gtk.c redisplay-gtk.c select-gtk.c Yet to be done are: gui-gtk.c menubar-gtk.c toolbar-gtk.c scrollbar-gtk.c glyphs-gtk.c Right now I just use: ./configure --with-menubars=no --with-scrollbars=no --with-toolbars=no with the majority of glyphs-gtk.c commented out. With this setup, TTY frames work just spiffy, and I can then make a gtk device. A test window pops up (the equivalent of the app_shell in the device-x.c). Creating a frame on it craps out, but that isn't surprising. It is in one of my abort() calls sprinkled around there because I was a bit confused on what they needed to do. :) I hope to have frame creation working by the end of the day. The _major_ sticking point is that Gtk/Gdk don't expose much of the underlying font structure, so a lot of stuff (like font-properties list-fonts, etc) don't work at all. This will be a _large_ impediment to getting the font menus and Emacs/W3 to work. Then it is on to debugging redisplay. :) So, the poll is... right now I have some stuff conditionalized on `STUPID_X_SPECIFIC_GTK_STUFF'. This includes the definition of gtk-window-id (which gets the raw X-window ID of a Gtk widget so that you can pass it to external programs) and set-mouse-position (no gtk equivalent because they think it is evil and the job of the window manager). This ends up including <gdkx.h> and peeking into places I don't think we should be peeking into, and using the raw X calls to do this. I _hate_ this, because it removes one of the supposed benefits of this, which would be a generic xplatform redisplay substrate. Do people think a font menu is worth it? I can work around it in Emacs/W3 somehow (I hope :). The font menu would be replaced with a real font selection dialog box as well. Thoughts, flames, opinions? -Bill P.