RP> One quick thing. Kent Pitman has recomended that people stop RP> referencing CLtL1 and CLtL2 and instead reference the ansi RP> spec. Since that is quite expensive the next best thing online is RP> the HyperSpec: RP> http://www.harlequin.com/education/books/HyperSpec/FrontMatter/index.html I would like to second that a CL-using XEmacs *should* follow Ansi CL as close as possible. If one wants to sell Lisp as a language, we should opt for being as standarized as possible (note that Clisp is not ANSI CL, there are some points where it does not follow the standard). RP> I know that CLtLn make for good toilet reading, but its not a RP> representation of the official spec. No, no. CLtLn is not good for toilet reading. Anybody stating that one could learn Common Lisp from CLtLn is either a guru or is shouting "Jehova !" Note also that the HyperSpec is also not a representation of the official spec, but it is probably very close (read: really _very_ close). If I should recommend one book on Lisp (especially ANSI CL), I would recommend "ANSI CL" by Paul Graham, which I think is just excellent. Holger -- --- http://www.coling.uni-freiburg.de/~schauer --- "It's of utmost importance, we're dealing with volitiale substance." -- Violent Femmes, "Never Tell"