Re: That "vision" thang...

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org&gt; wrote: ... I agree fully with Steve's summary, but I might as well comment specifically on the above. During my tenure I wanted *very much* to leverage as much as possible from outside sources. Jareth's work on libmagick was at my urging and part of that goal. Historical side bit, we would have been torn alive in the 19.14 days for our image code because it was relatively trivial to overflow a buffer on the stack and force a core dump (while running Gnus) if we had had the kind of usage we truly deserved. Libmagick seemed like a perfect solution, except that once we got it in place, it sucked. Everyone agreed that it sucked. Fortunately, we were able to back it out. And another historical bit to add: I would suggest that most of the problems I see being brought up in this thread are due to the fact that we did all this stuff *first*! Some of us joined the emacs camp because it was the first windowing system you could run on a glass tty. In a sense the world has passed us by to some extent, in the same fashion that Microsoft Outlook has passed by decent email systems with crap that has destroyed the very concept it supposedly implements. I might as well add that I'm probably poison due to the FSF's lawsuit against my current employer. :-( The "standard" XEmacs at work is 21.1 and 21.4 is labeled `xemacs-beta'. :-( The FSF Emacs versions are similar, but have backchannels where various people can push newer versions through, just so long as the basic IOS editing/debugging tools work. -sb (who's gotten slammed for pushing XEmacs at work) _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta