Re: XEmacs 21.4.5 "Civil Service" is released.

Jeff> Which font issue is this? In 21.4.4, there seems to be Jeff> something really funky going in with the 'bold&italic faces Jeff> when you do something to customize the faces. I had to do Jeff> reset-face to get it to accept my customizations. There's only one font issue as far as I know. Customize. Customize has a "user-friendly" model of fonts which does not correspond exactly to any of the platform models, and a similarly "user-friendly" model of faces which is quite far removed from the XEmacs model based on specifiers. Furthermore, it knows nothing of Mule. If you use the direct interfaces to faces and specifiers, you get what you ask for (subject to the braindeadness of X11's font handling)--- until Customize decides to reset them. Then, Customize does a lot of "intelligent" frobbing of faces (to get bold and italic versions of a given default, for example). But this means that if those functions aren't working right (and it is hard), you get stuff like: Jeff> Any face that subsequently used the :bold t property would Jeff> not be customized properly (eg at all). The size and I think Jeff> family were completely ignored. This may be fixed now, as Customize was calling apply on things not guaranteed to be lists, which also means that it probably was splicing a list into argument lists where the list itself was intended as a single argument. Unfortunately, the patch to that is likely to be the cause of the breakage in Jason's Gnus faces AFAICT. Customize is very complicated, and simple fixes generally turn out to be neither simple nor harmless. Let me repeat: So the whole face customization issue is very much on my mind. Volunteers to take a close look at it would be very welcome. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Don't ask how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.