Re: [sumner@graphics.lcs.mit.edu] Faces wrong when opening new frame (PR#1465)

Various people who don't need personal copies and the BTS removed from address list. Shoulda done that before. Yoshiki> "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp&gt; writes: Yoshiki> You don't lose here. You do. Suppose that I have customized the faces for foo-mode. Now Harry comes up with a real spiffy set of faces for foo-mode, and Taro the maintainer agrees and puts them in. I cannot easily recover that default information (for trial purposes) by temporarily removing the customization in my running XEmacs; I must reload the library or even restart XEmacs with my Custom-based customizations disabled, which may not be desirable. I don't think this is generally a problem. But we've been patching pieces of Custom for years, and these annoying little bugs still keep crawling out of the cracks between the window and the WM decorations. Yoshiki> It's not "a typical example of the cavalier way that Yoshiki> Custom insists on resetting faces whenever it does any Yoshiki> manipulations". OK, whatever. The fact is that reset-face is a customization- destroying function; I really don't see a good excuse for calling it without user interaction. Custom is making the assumption that it knows everything relevant, and that assumption is false. Yoshiki> Hmm... Then what background spec of defface is for? I'm Yoshiki> not a particular fun of it, but I think it's useful. I don't know. As I've said, I find Custom's face model limiting. I suppose it was a way to avoid figuring out how to do reliable contrast calculations (admittedly, quite unobvious). -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."