Re: Re: Will Martin contribute to XEmacs in the future?
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From: "Andy Piper" <andy(a)xemacs.org>
To: <ben(a)666.com>; <martin(a)xemacs.org>; <stephen(a)xemacs.org>
Cc: <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:57 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Will Martin contribute to XEmacs in the future?
> the widgets are not quite so bad under windows but i agree that
> the progress gauge should be turned off by default. the widgets
> are unfortunately a project that was abandoned at the 75% stage,
In my defence I think its widgets under X that are at the 75% stage :)
I wish I had never bothered doing X support. Motif sucks, athena sucks.
imo this is a cop-out. xemacs should work under both x and windows. "motif
sucks" because you're less familiar with its weirdnesses than with those of ms
windows -- many people with the opposite sort of experience say the same about
windows.
> and we should not be forcing something like this on our users.
> unless someone objects, i'll probably turn progress gauges off by
> default until i or someone else gets around to completing the widget code.
Since you are developing and I am not you get to say, but I guess I would
be interested in knowing what you would change that would make them
acceptable.
there are no dialog boxes written using the code except Edit->Find.
there are tons of redisplay bugs in the widgets, even in Windows. running
Edit->Find, a see a bunch of flashing and resizing at the beginning, which
should not be there. run your glyph-tests.el and you see lots of weird problems
[some are fixed in my glyph ws].
accelerators don't work in Edit->Find.
hitting Enter in the text field doesn't do anything.
hitting Esc does not cancel Edit->Find.
etc. etc.
these things are standard in all Windows programs.
problems like this are typical of an 80% implementation. 80% implementations
make good demos but aren't really usable.
ben