----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Piper" <andy(a)xemacs.org>
To: "Ben Wing" <ben(a)666.com>; "Andy Piper"
<andy(a)xemacs.org>;
<martin(a)xemacs.org>; <stephen(a)xemacs.org>
Cc: <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:36 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Will Martin contribute to XEmacs in the future?
> imo this is a cop-out. xemacs should work under both x and
> windows. "motif
> sucks" because you're less familiar with its weirdnesses than
> with those of ms
> windows -- many people with the opposite sort of experience say
> the same about
> windows.
You misunderstand me. I mean that motif has 75% of the widget set that
windows does, and athena 50%. I'm sure all have their share of bugs
and weirdness and in some ways I am more familiar with Motif than I
am with windows. But writing widgets or debugging half written ones
really sucks. And the smiley meant that I knew it was a copout :)
> there are no dialog boxes written using the code except Edit->Find.
> there are tons of redisplay bugs in the widgets, even in Windows. running
> Edit->Find, a see a bunch of flashing and resizing at the beginning, which
> should not be there. run your glyph-tests.el and you see lots of
> weird problems
> [some are fixed in my glyph ws].
> accelerators don't work in Edit->Find.
> hitting Enter in the text field doesn't do anything.
> hitting Esc does not cancel Edit->Find.
> etc. etc.
The question was what about the _progress bars_ would make them acceptable.
Not what needs fixing in the widget support. We both know all of the above
and
have discussed them at length. I am asking for user feedback about what
works for them and what doesn't. I know that for Martin nothing visual is
pleasing
to him, but others may have different opinions.
sorry, your wording implied that you were asking about the widgets as a whole.
anyway, the resizing of the window in order to fit in the progress bars has
*got* to go. the progress bar needs to be small enough to fit into the echo
area. i remember you said at one point that this sometimes worked and sometimes
didn't ... can you clarify? if the progress bar can be made to fit into the
echo area, it can stay; otherwise, it will go.
andy