Explosion from --with-widgets=gtk --with-toolbars=no

Hi, On every version of xemacs and gtk over the past year (unstable debian so I'm never quite sure of gtk versions...), trying to compile out the toolbar is very incompatible with gnome/gtk. One seems to get an extra toolbar window appearing and a flurry of focus confusion from the window manager and so on - exact behaviour I'm sure dependent on exact system configuration. Should it be expected to work? The only reason I really would like to do this is that I'd like to avoid the excessive geometric contortions that xemacs appears to go through in sizing the main window. Changing the default face, hiding the toolbar, and various other tweaks all appear to be executed after the main window has been mapped. If there's a neat way of delaying the main window mapping that would be a good thing to document. Anthony