On 14 Oct 2003, galibert(a)pobox.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:29:36PM +0000, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> On 14 Oct 2003, galibert(a)pobox.com wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 01:39:52PM +0000, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>>
>> And the point of copying the windows UI disasters into XEmacs is?
> Why disasters? would Xemacs become more instable because of more
> icons?
I said _UI_ disaster. Apart from a very small number of extremely
conventional icons, they pretty much suck at conveying any useful
meaning.
> I was pointed to kile /kile.sourceforge.net/ which comes with a lot
> of integrated icons. Does this make the application unstable, if>> so, why?
Unstable, I wouldn't know. Unusable, oh yes.
http://kile.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
Let's just leave aside the MDI setup and the fact that the
application tries simultaneously to be an IDE, Word and a LaTeX
editor and fails miserably at all three, and let's have a look at
the icon bar.
We do not need this crap in XEmacs, especially for the sake of
windows users that want more icons just because that looks cool.
The menubar sucks already enough as it is (even if it is better than
some years ago, but the option menu needs to die for instance, and
the help menu needs a manual for itself), we do not need to add
multi-lines of useless crap.
Listen you don't have to convince me, I barely use icons at all, if I
find a useful command I bind it to the key. I don't use kile either, I
used once for a while winedit, thanks.
I just want to point out that there is feature rich application like
Xemacs and most beginners are not willing to use it because it does
not feel right. It is pointless to discuss this with them. You can
list up all the nice features of Xemacs but the answer is: too
complicated, not for me.
Now there are 2 possibilities, we ignore these people (Xemacs is for
hackers or advanced users written by hackers.) Or we try to make
Xemacs more attractive for the public. If this too difficult, requires
too much effort, will happen the next century, etc then let's forget
it.
Uwe Brauer