Re: Kanji font selection (Mule showstopper?)

Thank you for your reply! Jan> "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp&gt; writes: Jan> Note that I changed the font-menu to be Custom aware quite Jan> recently. I probably messed something up there or uncovered Jan> an hidden problem. "Recently" == when? I'd like to test a pre-change XEmacs. (I do see a "font-menu fix by Jan Vroonhof" in CHANGES-beta for "Norwegian". I'll assume that's it unless you say otherwise.) Anyway, I'm running a cvs diff now, and will look at it after my exciting afternoon filled with faculty meetings drags to a state of maximal entropy. I'll let you know if I see anything. Jan> If I am correct your problem is that choosing a different Jan> font from the font menu screws up other fonts (in this case Jan> the Kanji ones)? Yes. Either changing font or changing size does this. Jan> 1. Where this also happens if you make exactly the same Jan> change with Customize (i.e. M-x customize-face RET default Jan> RET) Yes, the ugly font gets selected. Yes, once the ugly kanji gets installed changing fonts or size through the options menu or through custom does not affect that ugly kanji font; it is wedged in the same font, same size. Jan> 2. If you save options and then restart XEmacs are the Jan> fonts OK? No, the ugly fonts get "saved." (I assume that they don't actually get saved, they just get selected by the same process that selects them from the Options menu.) Restarting with xemacs -vanilla restores the pretty fonts (of course). Jan> 3. If setting font-menu-ignore-scaled-fonts to nil really Jan> early (i.e. before the first access to the font-menu) helps. No. :-( To be precise, I started with `xemacs -vanilla', executed `(setq font-menu-ignore-scaled-fonts nil) in *scratch*, and then loaded .xemacs, with the saved options that were created in answering question 2. Unfortunately, scaled bitmap fonts do not appear to identified as scaled by my X server (XFree86: XF86_SVGA), they just appear in the font list (in xlsfonts and xfontsel as well). I can defeat them by setting adding the `:unscaled' keyword to my kanji font directories in X11's fontpath, but I prefer not to since I have so few kanji fonts, all are bitmaps, and they are usable at some scalings. Jan> 4. If you have an old .xemacs-options from an XEmacs that Jan> worked and you used a 'option-save-faces = t' to save them, Jan> what are the settings saved for the fonts. No, I don't have one. Jan> Unfortunately in order to 'keep it simple for the User' and Jan> to preserve compatibility with FSF Emacs the customize view Jan> of fonts is decidedly more primitive than the XEmacs one. Wel, as Martin pointed out, the XEmacs view of fonts is also lacking. But then, whoever wrote the comments in the various parts of the font code (jwz?) would argue that X's view of fonts is just plain broken. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +1 (298) 53-5091