Re: That "vision" thang... [was: FYI: "Emacs and XEmacs" on the Emacs Wiki]

Mats Lidell writes: > Fighting about who is right about what happened is really a dead > and. Probably so. <sigh /> > Let's focus on our vision and our goals instead. Well, what are they? Ben had his huge blueprint of the future at http://www.xemacs.org/Architecting-XEmacs/. Mike has his long-range plans regarding garbage collection and replacing the Lisp engine. Jamie has a list of ten items from like 1997, all of which are at least partly relevant to XEmacs today. http://www.xemacs.org/Releases/Public-21.2/wishes/jwz-wishlist.html I've published a number of desiderata. The only one getting active attention at the moment is Unicode support, where Aidan is doing work these days. Some of my ideas are in the 21.4 release plan: http://www.xemacs.org/Releases/Public-21.2/planned.html http://www.xemacs.org/Releases/Public-21.2/first-draft.html http://www.xemacs.org/Releases/Public-21.2/execution.html Speaking for myself, there has not been much enthusiasm for my proposals, not expressed in code contributions, anyway. I'm not able to execute the larger ones myself, not for delivery in the near future. So I'd be willing to put in administrative support and do patch reviews in support of other people's goals. But what are other people's goals? And who's going to do the work? I can do some, Aidan will do some it would seem. But we need more people coding. Even if you don't feel comfortable contributing code yet, you can read Architecting XEmacs, and look at the task lists above, and post what you think is important here. Or start a page on the EmacsWiki. I suspect that will be most effective if somebody takes responsibility for editing it, and putting it into a form that looks like a release proposal (not necessarily like first-draft.html cited above, but definitely it has to look like there is some action coming). But it won't hurt to just start one if you're a wiki-oriented person.

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