ssl? (was: smtpmail and delete-process fails)

Uwe Brauer writes: STARTTLS *is* SSL. See RFC 2487. If Gmail has a different way of supporting SMTP over SSL, I don't know about it. I suppose you could have a dedicated port where TLS authentication/privacy negotiation is done *before* connecting to the mail server, but a quick look doesn't show any documentation for it. Are you sure that's not port 465? The standard port for smtps is 465. This page: http://www.scottro.net/qnd/qnd-gmail.html says it's port 465. He also says he's never gotten it to work, nor have most of the people he knows who have tried. (Scott is a friend of mine, and quite reliable.) Port 587 is a different protocol (the mail submission protocol, RFC 2476), which happens to use SMTP for its wire protocol. (Perhaps that's confusing -- all the new restrictions are on what the receiving MSA is allowed to do, so it doesn't actually need a new wire protocol.) That RFC doesn't actually permit use of STARTTLS, but I guess that's because it was published before 2487 was. My commiserations. Seems like a very stupid thing to do to me, but I don't know what their situation is. I suspect that they just block *everything* under 1024 (or maybe everything period) except for a few ports known to have strong authentication (like 22, ssh) or considered organizationally essential (like 80 and/or 442, http and https). I doubt they really care about the difference between 587 and 465 (or 464). Steve _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta