Re: ha ha, only serious

Just as a side note -- I usually read mail from my home network (even from work), hence login through the "slow" side of my DSL line. It's been awfully slow (painful, evil, just bad) running XEmacs in X rather than in a terminal. Thanks to the suggestion of turning off toolbars, it actually is useable! (XEmacs 21.4.12, debian/unstable). At least for gnus mail reading (even with picons turned on). best, -tony Ray> XEmacs over the same link is a non-starter. An exposure Ray> event (?) SJT> Can you be more specific about exactly what you do, and is this 21.5? SJT> If it's just _one_ exposure event (eg, cover the frame partially with SJT> another window, then close or iconify the covering window), do you see SJT> this? (I don't think so, in 21.4, I'll check tonight.) SJT> If you are moving a window, even if it's not opaque, _across_ an SJT> XEmacs frame you are potentially generating an exposure event for SJT> every horizontal or vertical single-pixel movement. (Why we can't SJT> handle that gracefully I dunno and it's shameful, but if a single SJT> exposure event is causing multiple redraws of the toolbar that's SJT> downright _disgusting_.) Ray> causes xemacs to spend about 15 sec redisplaying Ray> the toolbar over and over and over again. Ray> But Lucid emacs with scrollbars and menu worked well enough Ray> over a 9600 bps line way back when. (Thanks Jamie!) SJT> I suspect 19.first-version-with-toolbar of XEmacs is OK, too. SJT> XEmacs in an X frame is still (subjectively, YMMV) no slower than a SJT> TTY frame over the same line for buffer updates as long as there are SJT> no exposure events (the last time I tried that with GNU Emacs 21 it SJT> was not true). But the widget code seems to have been written under SJT> the assumption that redisplay is cheap. :-( SJT> -- SJT> Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp SJT> University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN SJT> Ask not how you can "do" free software business; SJT> ask what your business can "do for" free software. -- A.J. Rossini Rsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics rossini(a)u.washington.edu FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net rossini(a)scharp.org -------------- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ ---------------- FHCRC: M: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX (my tuesday/wednesday/friday locations are completely unpredictable.)