Hi Andy I use Gnus together with epop3 from Franklin Lee <flee(a)lehman.com&gt;, which in turn uses pop3 from Gnus. I like the UIDL feature because I want to leave my mail on the server after fetching. I use it on emacs-20.3.1. I would like to use it with Gnus on xemacs but the problem is, pop3.el uses password routines from ange-ftp. And xemacs uses efs instead of ange-ftp. It would be nice to have a pop3.el which works on both emacs versions. I don't know enough lisp to work on this. Maybe pop3.el could be extended to use either the ange-ftp stuff or the efs stuff depending on the emacs version. Here the relevant lines from the NT-EMACS FAQ page: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html#mail-leave-rmail Franklin Lee <flee(a)lehman.COM&gt; has extended the pop3 package so that you can have your mail left on the server instead of always being downloaded (it also has a biff-mode with international "barks", which can be used whether or not you download or leave your mail on the server). You'll need to download a zip archive containing a patched pop3.el and some additional elisp files: ep3m-095.zip (9/28/98) http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs/contrib/ep3m-095.zip Here the comment from epop3.el: ;;; Commentary: ;; The code below implements commands not in pop3.el. Some of these ;; commands (UIDL, TOP) are optional POP3 commands introduced in RFC 1725. ;; The LIST command is implemented for the use of Mail User Agents which ;; may want to access the LIST command information. This is what I have in my .emacs: (setq gnus-select-method '(nnmbox "")) ; epop3 stuff (setq epop3-leave-mail-on-server t epop3-quietly nil epop3-authentication-always-use-default t epop3-mail-package 'gnus ;epop3 knows what to do epop3-biff-show-snooze t ) ; nnmail stuff (setq nnmail-movemail-program 'epop3-mail nnmail-spool-file "po:vzell＠mailm1") Ciao Volker -- ___________________________________________________________________________ "Is a dream a lie if it don't come true or is it something worse ..." Dr. Volker Zell __ / _ / __ / ___/ / ___/ -- Trainer -- / / /__/ /_ / / / __/ Oracle Germany ____/__/ _|__/ __/____/ ____/____/ Paul-Thomas-Str.58 D-40599 D|sseldorf e-Mail: mailto:vzell＠de.oracle.com WWW: http://trgsund4.de.oracle.com/ Tel: (+49) 211-74839-414 Fax: (+49) 211-74839-44 ___________________________________________________________________________ The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation.

At 14:52 14/10/98 +0100, Robert Pluim wrote: Not really like procmail but does allow me to selectively pull stuff from a pop server based on a regexp. I'll post the patches. So If I was to produce a unified pop should it take pop3 as the substrate or vm-pop? andy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " .sigs are like your face - rarely seen by you and uglier than you think" Dr Andy Piper, Technical Architect, Parallax Solutions Ltd mail: andyp(a)parallax.co.uk web: www.parallax.co.uk/~andyp

Andy> Not really like procmail but does allow me to selectively Andy> pull stuff from a pop server based on a regexp. I'll post Andy> the patches. I've just seen them. They should be very useful. Andy> I notice that gnus distributes pop3.el but doesn't appear to Andy> use it. I also notice that vm includes its own pop Andy> access. Is it worth trying to unify these different Andy> lisp-based access methods (and add my filtering) and squeeze Andy> some more speed in the process? Andy> What does vm-pop do that pop3 doesn't? Does anyone use Andy> pop3.el with gnus? Are there any other pop access packages? >> As far as I can remember from last time I looked, vm-pop has >> the following that are lacking in pop3.el: >> allows specifying of email size limits progress indicator >> cacheing of UID's to allow for deleting mail later Andy> So If I was to produce a unified pop should it take pop3 as Andy> the substrate or vm-pop? My vote goes to vm-pop. I believe the author of pop3 has stated that it should not be used as the basis for a real implementation of POP (Richard? correct me if I'm misrembering). Robert -- Robert Pluim Tel: +33 4 92 96 17 43 Systems Development Engineer Fax: +33 4 92 96 15 32 <URL: mailto:rpluim＠baynetworks.com> Bay Networks EMEA, 25 Allee Pierre Ziller, 06560 Valbonne, France