I've got an interesting problem with faces. I only noticed it the other day when I 'C-x 5 2' (I normally do _everything_ in the one frame). Using Gnus as an example, I have, in one of my setup files: ,---- | (make-face 'gnus-group-mail-3-face) | (set-face-foreground 'gnus-group-mail-3-face "Yellow") `---- In the first frame, 'gnus-group-mail-3-face' is yellow, which is what I'd expect. However in a different frame, it is aqua-marine. Why? I'd still expect yellow. I had a look at 'M-x customize-face RET gnus-group-mail-3-face RET' in each frame. This is where it starts to get really funky. Give these screen shots a 2nd and 3rd look, and you'll see what I mean. 'M-x customize-face RET gnus-group-mail-3-face RET' from 1st frame: And the same from a different frame: Does anybody have any idea what is going on here? -- |---<Steve Youngs>---------------<GnuPG KeyID: 9E7E2820>---| | XEmacs - It's not just an editor. | | It's a way of life. | |------------------------------------&lt;youngs(a)xemacs.org&gt;---|