New subject: Big Nasty Problem w/self-insert-command

Wednesday, 14 January 2009

On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 18:59 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
...
 Bob Taylor writes:

  > > self-insert-command does what it says, that is, it inserts the
  > > character itself.  All of the usual graphical characters ('a',
'b',
  > > etc) are bound to the same command.
  > 
  > Is this command supposed to be active only in abbrev-mode as mentioned
  > below? I have a difficult time believing this command would be active
  > globally.

 Of course it's active globally.  It is *the* way for literal
 characters typed on the keyboard to be entered in the editing buffer;
 there is no other.  *All* it does is insert the character you typed
 into the text at the current point. 
Ah! Now I understand. Thank you.

[snip]

...
  > I have this in my custom.el:
  > 
  >     (put 'self-insert-command 'disabled t)

 Don't do that, or you won't be able to enter any text at all without
 extreme pain. 
I will remove it.

...
  > However, in a new session, typing a space, '.' or such
brings up a
  > dialog telling me this command is disabled and do I want to try it or
  > keep it disabled (Y,N,SPACE).

 Yup.  Like I said, "pain". 
The problem I have is a bigger one.

...
  > > Does it go away if you exit from, then restart XEmacs?
  > 
  > No.

 Does it go away if you start XEmacs as "xemacs -vanilla". 
Unfortunately, no. I could use some help if this continues in the stable
version. I have narrowed this down by eliminating your distribution.
CentOS is a stable version created from RHEL source tree. Apparently,
I'm going to have to take over as maintainer. This can be very time
consuming working with a beta version.

[snip]

...
  > I didn't package this and do not know who did.

 Well, did you get it from us?  I'm telling you, in XEmacs as we
 distribute it, the behavior you observe *never* has happened; if this
 is our distribution, it's a first.  Obviously you *are* observing it,
 so I'd like to help.  But since I don't see the behavior, and have
 never heard of it before, I can't help until I can find out what's
 special about the XEmacs you're using. 
Please don't get riled up! I never thought your distribution was at
fault. If I inadvertently did so, I most sincerely apologize! I just
wanted to absolutely certain. Process of elimination.

...
  > It has to be a bug, at least in this package. This is my
assumption
  > since I could not find this in the archives.

 What package?  Where did you get it? 
It's here. http://centos.karan.org/el5/extras/testing/i386/RPMS/

...
  > What I think I will do is package the latest stable release.
This is the
  > one that *should* have been packaged. If I have questions, can I post
  > them here? Hopefully I won't need to.

 Sure, but if you are going to package things with a similar
 configuration to the one that is misbehaving, you're at risk of
 getting the same result.  XEmacs does not do what you are observing
 under *any* circumstances I've ever heard of, so presumably it's
 particular to something in the "package" you are using. 
I agree. I now have the source RPMS. I will take the time to look and see if I
can locate the problem in this package. The first thing I will look at is the spec
file.

The source RPM's are, if it helps any:

xemacs-21.5.27-8.el5.kb.src.rpm
xemacs-packages-base-20061221-1.el5.kb.src.rpm
xemacs-packages-extra-20061221-1.el5.kb.src.rpm

The RPM's installed are, if it helps any:

xemacs-packages-extra-el-20061221-1.el5.kb.rpm
xemacs-packages-extra-20061221-1.el5.kb.rpm
xemacs-packages-base-20061221-1.el5.kb.rpm
xemacs-21.5.27-8.el5.kb.rpm
xemacs-packages-extra-info-20061221-1.el5.kb.rpm
xemacs-common-21.5.27-8.el5.kb.rpm
xemacs-info-21.5.27-8.el5.kb.rpm
xemacs-el-21.5.27-8.el5.kb.rpm
xemacs-packages-base-el-20061221-1.el5.kb.rpm

Hopefully, these packages match yours.

...
 Also, don't forget to include the list address (e.g., by using a
wide
 reply).  XEmacs lists do not and will not munge reply-to; that is long
 since settled as the majority opinion by a wide margin. 
I sent to the list only. Is this wrong? I've cc'd you.

There are a lot of things I don't like about Emacs. The only *wish* I
have with XEmacs is Emacs X button ie kill current buffer. Convenient.
-- 
Bob Taylor

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