Matthew> I had to download the perl packages separately after installing the latest sumo (non-mule). Matthew> Bug or feature? when did you download them ?? i put up new ones almost a day ago -rw-r--r-- 1 rendhalv rendhalv 4797774 Dec 30 21:21 xemacs-mule-sumo-2002-12-30.tar.bz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 rendhalv rendhalv 5803843 Dec 30 21:20 xemacs-mule-sumo-2002-12-30.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 rendhalv rendhalv 18265717 Dec 30 21:20 xemacs-sumo-2002-12-30.tar.bz2 -rw-r--r-- 1 rendhalv rendhalv 23172413 Dec 30 21:18 xemacs-sumo-2002-12-30.tar.gz if you got them before that then the perl-modes were missing -- XEmacs Advocate | Do not try the patience of Wizards, Gentoo Devotee | for they are subtle and quick to anger. Perl Hacker | - Elric (Technomage) , Babylon 5. Apache God | <mailto:rendhalver at xemacs.org> <GnuPG KeyID: AE51D190>