9:38 p.m.
>>>> "Gleb" == Gleb Arshinov
<gleb(a)broadbase.com> writes:
>>>> "Jerry" == Jerry James
<james(a)eecs.ukans.edu> writes:
Gleb> It seems like I hit the problem
previously reported in
Gleb> http://www.xemacs.org/list-archives/xemacs-beta/200009/msg00153.html
Jerry> The problem there was that Stephen had an old version of
Jerry> PSGML installed. You appear to have the latest version,
Jerry> however. Also note that Stephen's problem was with XML,
Jerry> but your patch modifies sgml-parser-syntax. If you look at
Jerry> the code in psgml-parse.el just after your patch, you will
Jerry> see that the colon *is* in xml-parser-syntax. So this does
Jerry> not seem to be the problem previously reported.
Gleb> Hi Jerry,
Gleb> The way I read it, Stephen's problem is exact same one I am reporting.
Gleb> Let me try to provide more detail.
Jerry> What, exactly, were you trying to do, and what did PSGML do
Jerry> that you consider incorrect?
Gleb> Basically, I wanted to migrate my HTML documents from "-//W3C//DTD
Gleb> HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" to "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
Gleb> Transitional//EN". Both are types of HTML. The latter also happens
Gleb> to be XML (XHTML is supposed to be an intersection of HTML spec and
Gleb> XML spec).
Gleb> I had old PSGML packages which did not include XHTML DTDs, so I
Gleb> upgraded all the packages to the latest versions. Then I tried to
Gleb> validate a small XHTML document:
Jerry> Can you give some example SGML that shows the problem?
Gleb> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
Transitional//EN">
Please use this instead:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
so that people can easily find the canonical DTD information.
Gleb> <html>
Gleb> <head>
Gleb> <title>My Title</title>
Gleb> </head>
Gleb> <body>
Gleb> <h1>My Title</h1>
Gleb> </body>
Gleb> </html>
Gleb> Save this to a file xhtml_test.html. Open it. Run C-c C-p
Gleb> `sgml-parse-prolog'. At this point PSGML attempted to compile
Gleb> xhtml1-transitional.dtd, and barfed while parsing it (i.e. while
Gleb> parsing the DTD not the XHTML test document). The backtrace for this
Gleb> is in my original message.
I had this problem too.
I think you need to edit XHTML documents in xml-mode!
PSGML should switch to xml-mode based on a XHTML DTD, I think.
Here's what I did for the XEmacs website at http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/[1]
See
(defun psgml-find-file-hook ()
in
http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/batch-psgml-validate.el
I should obviously rename that hook, since it's not in psgml*.el, but
in batch-psgml-validate.el.
Best regards,
Adrian
Gleb> After much scratching my head, I figured out that lines of the form:
Gleb> xml:lang language code (as per XML 1.0 spec)
Gleb> in xhtml1-transitional.dtd were causing the parsing error. When I
Gleb> removed these lines, PSGML was able to parse and compile the DTD. The
Gleb> reason parsing of this DTD fails seems to be that PSGML uses
Gleb> sgml-parser-syntax to parse the DTD and it considers ':' a
terminator
Gleb> for the token. So adding ':' to sgml-parser-syntax got rid of the
Gleb> problem for me.
Jerry> Finally, if this really is a problem with PSGML, it should
Jerry> also be reported to Lennart Staflin, the PSGML maintainer.
Gleb> The way I read Stephen's message, it worked for him in 21.2. If this
Gleb> works in 21.2 but not in 21.1, I figure XEmacs team should have the
Gleb> first try.
Gleb> Gleb
Footnotes:
[1] That site is mostly XHTML 1.0 already, automatically validated by
PSGML!
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2:28 a.m.
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>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner
<adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
APA> See
APA> (defun psgml-find-file-hook ()
APA> in
APA> http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/batch-psgml-validate.el
APA> I should obviously rename that hook, since it's not in
APA> psgml*.el, but in batch-psgml-validate.el.
Better yet, send it to Lennart. He'll probably rename it, but
differently from the way you would ;-)
auto-mode-alist is clearly not appropriate to resolve this ambiguity.
PSGML needs that functionality.
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4:05 p.m.
New subject: PSGML's syntax table for HTML error in XEmacs 21.1
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
wrote:
>>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
APA> I should obviously rename that hook, since it's not in
APA> psgml*.el, but in batch-psgml-validate.el.
Better yet, send it to Lennart. He'll probably rename it, but
differently from the way you would ;-)
That won't do any good, unfortunately, because psgml-html.el is not part
of the PSGML distribution. It appears to be some unholy mix of
html-helper-mode.el and homegrown stuff, with chunks of
html-helper-mode.el ripped out and replaced with calls into PSGML. In
any case, Lennart most likely won't care about changes to it.
auto-mode-alist is clearly not appropriate to resolve this
ambiguity.
PSGML needs that functionality.
Short term, perhaps it would be better to change html-mode into
html-minor-mode, which works with either of the major modes sgml-mode or
xml-mode. Long term, I think it would be good to fold any functionality
in html-mode that PSGML is missing into PSGML, so that it will benefit
all DTDs. Then html-mode can be nuked altogether.
On a related note, is anyone actually using the sgml package any more?
Since linuxdoc has been replaced with DocBook, a package specifically
for editing linuxdoc documents seems to have limited usefulness.
--
Jerry James
2:14 a.m.
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>>>> "Jerry" == Jerry James
<james(a)eecs.ukans.edu> writes:
Jerry> On a related note, is anyone actually using the sgml
Jerry> package any more? Since linuxdoc has been replaced with
Jerry> DocBook, a package specifically for editing linuxdoc
Jerry> documents seems to have limited usefulness.
I don't use the sgml package, I use psgml, but I do still have a few
local things in linuxdoc that I maintain. We can't know whether
people use it or not.
But we should discourage new users. Steve could add a line to the
description indicating that the package is deprecated and (I assume)
not actively maintained. (As we do with RMail.)
If you do this, don't forget to sync man/xemacs/packages.texi's list.
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5:50 a.m.
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* "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes:
>>>>>"Jerry" == Jerry James
<james(a)eecs.ukans.edu> writes:
Jerry> On a related note, is anyone
actually using the sgml
Jerry> package any more? Since linuxdoc has been replaced with
Jerry> DocBook, a package specifically for editing linuxdoc
Jerry> documents seems to have limited usefulness.
Stephen> I don't use the sgml package, I use psgml, but I do still have a few
Stephen> local things in linuxdoc that I maintain. We can't know whether
Stephen> people use it or not.
Stephen> But we should discourage new users. Steve could add a line to the
Stephen> description indicating that the package is deprecated and (I assume)
Stephen> not actively maintained. (As we do with RMail.)
,----[ ./oa/sgml/ChangeLog ]
| 2000-10-05 Martin Buchholz <martin(a)xemacs.org>
|
| * *: Mega typo fix.
|
| 1998-01-25 SL Baur <steve(a)altair.xemacs.org>
|
| * Makefile (VERSION): Updated to package standard 1.0.
| * package-info.in: Ditto.
|
| 1998-01-12 SL Baur <steve(a)altair.xemacs.org>
|
| * Makefile: Created.
`----
That's not a snippet, it's the *entire* file! Yep, that's an actively
maintained package. :-)
Does the sgml package have any useful code in it? If it does, could
it be incorporated into the psgml package? Then we could just delete
sgml completely, couldn't we?
Stephen> If you do this, don't forget to sync man/xemacs/packages.texi's
list.
Yep, as well as etc/PACKAGES.
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6:59 a.m.
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>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> That's not a snippet, it's the *entire* file! Yep, that's an
SY> actively maintained package. :-)
About as I expected.
The rest is IMHO:
SY> Does the sgml package have any useful code in it?
I don't know, and I'd give long odds there isn't. Sufficiently so
that I will refuse the assignment to check. ;-)
SY> If it does, could it be incorporated into the psgml package?
Maybe, but remember PSGML is an externally maintained package. It
would be much better if we could get Lennart to take care of it
entirely, including XEmacs-specific code, and avoid doing any synching
ourselves, right?
Not just for PSGML, but for all externally maintained packages, I'd
really like to rename stuff like psgml-html (if as JJ says it's not
part of upstream PSGML) and in general move xemacs-specific changes
out of upstream files and into files that are identifiably
XEmacs-specific. I also don't like packages where we delete files
(apparently our APEL distribution is not complete).
I have this dream that someday the upstream packagers will all use the
same packaging system as XEmacs. But this isn't going to happen if
they think of XEmacs as a bunch of hackers who make gratuitous changes
to their code that they have to synch, and deal with bug reports about.
SY> Then we could just delete sgml completely, couldn't we?
Why? It doesn't hurt for it to be there, except that you have to roll
a new package everytime Martin scratches his typo-fixing itch.
Maybe we could created a deprecated category for packages or something.
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6:43 p.m.
New subject: PSGML's syntax table for HTML error in XEmacs 21.1
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
Not just for PSGML, but for all externally maintained packages,
I'd
really like to rename stuff like psgml-html (if as JJ says it's not
part of upstream PSGML) and in general move xemacs-specific changes
out of upstream files and into files that are identifiably
XEmacs-specific.
Incidentally, it isn't just psgml-html in the PSGML package that is not
part of PSGML proper; iso-sgml is also not part of PSGML. Also,
somewhere back in the mists of time, somebody renamed psgml-lucid.el (in
the PSGML distribution) to psgml-xemacs.el (in the XEmacs
distribution). I retained that renaming when updating XEmacs' PSGML
package.
If it seems desirable, I'll try to find time during the Christmas break
to cleanly separate the PSGML stuff from the non-PSGML stuff, and
clearly mark every change we made to the PSGML sources. After grading
finals, of course. :-)
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