I've just got a development Ultra 30 to play with now too, so hopefully i'll be able to keep building XEmacs on it as well as my Digital Unix 4.0 box... ...unfortunately i'm having a lot less luck than I expected to - I get as far as : [ ... ] glyphs used: 18 glyph storage: 720 opaques used: 6 opaque storage: 648 opaque lists used: 2 opaque list storage: 48 vectors used: 754 vector storage: 231820 hashtables used: 337 hashtable storage: 13480 and it just hangs. nothing's been written to xemacs itself. Has anybody else been seeing this sort of thing on Solaris 2.5.1 ? -- Andrew J Cosgriff <ajc(a)bing.wattle.id.au&gt; exterminate all rational thought ! asteroid pyramid when carbon codependency